US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a press briefing at the White House January 10, 2020 (Alex Wong/Getty)

I spoke with Monocle 24’s Andrew Mueller on Tuesday about US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s attacks on the media, fueled by his unease over the Trump-Giuliani campaign for Ukraine’s investigations of political rivals.

Pompeo has been implicated, at least in his knowledge of the 10-month campaign by documents from Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani and the testimony of US officials in House impeachment hearings.

See also EA on CNN and Al Jazeera: Trump-Ukraine — The Pompeo-Giuliani Connection and Trump’s Impeachment

Last week he insulted, swore at, and tried to humiliate National Public Radio journalist Mary Louise Kelly when she asked him about the Trump-Ukraine affair, including his alleged failure to defend US Ambassador to Kyiv Marie Yovanovitch.

Pompeo was further angered over the failure of his attempt to embarrass Kelly. in a State Department press release. So the Department barred NPR reporter Michele Kelemen from Pompeo’s upcoming trip to Europe.

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When you expose a bully for trying to bully you, they do not go on the defense. They go back on the offense.

It’s a case of how often you try to hold them to account so they stick to the facts, rather than their imagined reality.