I spoke with BBC Radio Wales on Thursday, after Donald Trump’s State of the Union address was cancelled — but with the White House still maintaining its ultimatum for $5.7 billion for The Wall with Mexico.

The discussion is a pointed one about the politics on Day 34 of the Trump Shutdown of nine federal government agencies, focusing on the two men “holding the country to ransom”: Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Listen to Discussion from around 1:45.00